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	<title>Comments on: Interview With Media Contact For Senator the Hon Stephen Conroy Regarding Australian Internet Filter</title>
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		<title>By: The Australian internet censorship filter is [CONTENT&#160;REMOVED] &#8212; DanuPoyner.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Australian internet censorship filter is [CONTENT&#160;REMOVED] &#8212; DanuPoyner.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 02:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Grubb (an 18-year-old IT professional and amateur podcaster on the Sunshine Coast) interviewed Senator Conroy&#039;s media representative Tim Marshall on October 17, who said those who oppose [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Stilgherrian &#183; Dear Senator Ellis&#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stilgherrian &#183; Dear Senator Ellis&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] attacked critics by comparing them to child abusers; refused to provide details of his policy then maligned opponents for their &#8220;speculative&#8221; remarks; lied to the Australian voting public about the availability of an &#8220;opt-out&#8221; in [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Net censorship roundup: Fielding and Xenophon want filters to include legal material at Hoyden About Town</title>
		<link>http://techwiredau.com/2008/10/interview-with-media-contact-for-senator-the-hon-stephen-conroy-regarding-australian-internet-filter/comment-page-1/#comment-1010</link>
		<dc:creator>Net censorship roundup: Fielding and Xenophon want filters to include legal material at Hoyden About Town</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 10:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Wired Australia: &#8220;Interview With Media Contact For Senator the Hon Stephen Conroy Regarding Australian Internet Filter&#8220;. 17 Oct [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Bishop</title>
		<link>http://techwiredau.com/2008/10/interview-with-media-contact-for-senator-the-hon-stephen-conroy-regarding-australian-internet-filter/comment-page-1/#comment-985</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Bishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 12:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, it is worth reading ACMA&#039;s report on the trial.  Part of the problem with the entire discussion on this topic from those opposed is that the view that ISP based filtering is easy to circumvent is increasingly flawed.  It was true a few years ago, but now increasingly less so.  If more people understood exactly what is illegal content and how effective content filters have become in the last 3 years there might be more active concern.  By the time you factor in the full range of federal and state protective legislation, including the copyright laws, there is, in Australia, a very wide range of content currently viewed on the internet by users that is, strictly speaking, illegal and could therefore be liegitimately blocked - and that includes substantial copyright infringing content on U-tube.  

All speach that is deemed as discrimatory or likely to inflame intollerance against minorities, for example, is strictly speaking illegal depending on your jurisdiction (and there is a very wide definition to these terms), more confusingly is the status of media that has not received a censorship classification in Australia (which means most streaming media) is, in effect, illegal as it has no censorship classification - even if it is otherwise harmless and would be G rated, a further complication is that differing Australian jurisdictions allow differingly censored material.

Certainly, for those wealthy enough to have servers or connections hosted overseas, it is a simple matter to use their off-shore site as a proxy with a tunnel to the proxy (at the cost of some 20-30% of their bandwidth and 2 connection fees), and for others there is the less secure public VPN proxies, but the new fliters intercept HTTPS - raising the concern about the privacy of banking transactions - so that is insufficient in its own right. The simple reality is that for the committed user interested in the type of material with broadbased acceptance of rejection, there are many ways around the filters including a host of peer-to-peer technologies, but for the casual user (read 98% of the population) the filters will be effective.  

No - if you oppose this move you must focus on the principles at stake and not on the technology weakness.  The issue must be about what the technology is intended to achieve, are those targets acceptable to our society&#039;s values (including our assumption of freedoms of speach and association), and how can it be constrained to only achieve those outcomes and  whether the collateral, attendant price to an agreed set of liberties is acceptable?

Further, one must focus on soliciting the support of the unaligned and opposition parties - or no amount of argument will be effective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, it is worth reading ACMA&#8217;s report on the trial.  Part of the problem with the entire discussion on this topic from those opposed is that the view that ISP based filtering is easy to circumvent is increasingly flawed.  It was true a few years ago, but now increasingly less so.  If more people understood exactly what is illegal content and how effective content filters have become in the last 3 years there might be more active concern.  By the time you factor in the full range of federal and state protective legislation, including the copyright laws, there is, in Australia, a very wide range of content currently viewed on the internet by users that is, strictly speaking, illegal and could therefore be liegitimately blocked &#8211; and that includes substantial copyright infringing content on U-tube.  </p>
<p>All speach that is deemed as discrimatory or likely to inflame intollerance against minorities, for example, is strictly speaking illegal depending on your jurisdiction (and there is a very wide definition to these terms), more confusingly is the status of media that has not received a censorship classification in Australia (which means most streaming media) is, in effect, illegal as it has no censorship classification &#8211; even if it is otherwise harmless and would be G rated, a further complication is that differing Australian jurisdictions allow differingly censored material.</p>
<p>Certainly, for those wealthy enough to have servers or connections hosted overseas, it is a simple matter to use their off-shore site as a proxy with a tunnel to the proxy (at the cost of some 20-30% of their bandwidth and 2 connection fees), and for others there is the less secure public VPN proxies, but the new fliters intercept HTTPS &#8211; raising the concern about the privacy of banking transactions &#8211; so that is insufficient in its own right. The simple reality is that for the committed user interested in the type of material with broadbased acceptance of rejection, there are many ways around the filters including a host of peer-to-peer technologies, but for the casual user (read 98% of the population) the filters will be effective.  </p>
<p>No &#8211; if you oppose this move you must focus on the principles at stake and not on the technology weakness.  The issue must be about what the technology is intended to achieve, are those targets acceptable to our society&#8217;s values (including our assumption of freedoms of speach and association), and how can it be constrained to only achieve those outcomes and  whether the collateral, attendant price to an agreed set of liberties is acceptable?</p>
<p>Further, one must focus on soliciting the support of the unaligned and opposition parties &#8211; or no amount of argument will be effective.</p>
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		<title>By: Angry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 05:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, a blacklist filter ISP side is easy to circumvent but not so much a content based filtering system. The irony is while the false positives will inevitably anger a lot of people and deny them legitimate content, those dedicated in obtaining the sort of material intended to be blocked will find a way one way or another. The end result being it is completely ineffectual, costly and causes nothing but interference with law abiding citizens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, a blacklist filter ISP side is easy to circumvent but not so much a content based filtering system. The irony is while the false positives will inevitably anger a lot of people and deny them legitimate content, those dedicated in obtaining the sort of material intended to be blocked will find a way one way or another. The end result being it is completely ineffectual, costly and causes nothing but interference with law abiding citizens.</p>
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		<title>By: David Moore</title>
		<link>http://techwiredau.com/2008/10/interview-with-media-contact-for-senator-the-hon-stephen-conroy-regarding-australian-internet-filter/comment-page-1/#comment-931</link>
		<dc:creator>David Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 00:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;banning&#039; whatever content cannot currently legaly viewed in Australia is fine in my opinion.  People should be held account to the laws of this country.

However, the fact is, that ISP based filtering is SO easy to circumvent.

I strongly believe that even spending the amount of money the current and former government has spent on this so far is a CRIME against the people of Australia.

If not someone within the government, then surely someone outisde the government has explained the simple reality that an internet filter ISP side is trivial to circumvent.  The goverment continues to hide from this reality (ignore the facts) and waste our money persuing this.

Anyone else would be locked up for stealing 10s of millions of our money.  We must call these people to task over such gross negligence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;banning&#8217; whatever content cannot currently legaly viewed in Australia is fine in my opinion.  People should be held account to the laws of this country.</p>
<p>However, the fact is, that ISP based filtering is SO easy to circumvent.</p>
<p>I strongly believe that even spending the amount of money the current and former government has spent on this so far is a CRIME against the people of Australia.</p>
<p>If not someone within the government, then surely someone outisde the government has explained the simple reality that an internet filter ISP side is trivial to circumvent.  The goverment continues to hide from this reality (ignore the facts) and waste our money persuing this.</p>
<p>Anyone else would be locked up for stealing 10s of millions of our money.  We must call these people to task over such gross negligence.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Grubb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Grubb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 23:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Elomis

I would hardly call it encouragement.

I like to let everyone have their say.

I would like to know as much information as you would, and as I have said to others regarding the interview, drawing blood from a stone is quite hard with Mr Marshall, so you gotta&#039; talk their not so competent language.

Let the Government &quot;meander&quot;, who cares, it only makes them look more douchier&#039;.

Regards,
Ben Grubb</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Elomis</p>
<p>I would hardly call it encouragement.</p>
<p>I like to let everyone have their say.</p>
<p>I would like to know as much information as you would, and as I have said to others regarding the interview, drawing blood from a stone is quite hard with Mr Marshall, so you gotta&#8217; talk their not so competent language.</p>
<p>Let the Government &#8220;meander&#8221;, who cares, it only makes them look more douchier&#8217;.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Ben Grubb</p>
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		<title>By: Elomis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elomis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 20:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben, next time you might consider interviewing rather than encouraging Marshall to meander through his ideas and misinformation unabated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben, next time you might consider interviewing rather than encouraging Marshall to meander through his ideas and misinformation unabated.</p>
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		<title>By: No opt-out of filtered Internet &#124; fingerpuppetmafia.com</title>
		<link>http://techwiredau.com/2008/10/interview-with-media-contact-for-senator-the-hon-stephen-conroy-regarding-australian-internet-filter/comment-page-1/#comment-912</link>
		<dc:creator>No opt-out of filtered Internet &#124; fingerpuppetmafia.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 04:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and you know there’s a few lobby groups in the sector who are pretty keen to put there extreme view out there without perhaps having too much interest in the facts.  Techwired Interview [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Womp</title>
		<link>http://techwiredau.com/2008/10/interview-with-media-contact-for-senator-the-hon-stephen-conroy-regarding-australian-internet-filter/comment-page-1/#comment-911</link>
		<dc:creator>The Womp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 01:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He never denies what so called &quot;extreme&quot; groups have been claiming, he only makes it clear he doesn&#039;t like that they have the audacity to say it, which is hardly surprising since his office openly hates freedom of speech.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He never denies what so called &#8220;extreme&#8221; groups have been claiming, he only makes it clear he doesn&#8217;t like that they have the audacity to say it, which is hardly surprising since his office openly hates freedom of speech.</p>
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